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Loved a book from our lists? Hear the story behind it. On The Non-Obvious Show, Rohit Bhargava sits down with the authors themselves — many drawn straight from the Book Awards longlist.

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The Non-Obvious Show episode 83 — Sabina Nawaz
Episode 83

How To Be A Better Boss

with Sabina Nawaz

In this episode, Sabina Nawaz shares insights from her extensive leadership experience, focusing on how pressure, power, and self-awareness influence effective management. Discover practical microhabits and strategies to become a better boss and navigate the loneliness at the top.

The Non-Obvious Show episode 82 — Nilofer Merchant
Episode 82

How To Overcome the Daily Norms Holding You Back

with Nilofer Merchant

Nilofer Merchant discusses the hidden norms shaping our work environment, how to challenge them, and reframe our approach to work for greater fulfillment and innovation.

The Non-Obvious Show episode 81 — Mark Medley
Episode 81

The Curious Optimism of People Who Choose Impossible Quests

with Mark Medley

Explore the fascinating world of individuals pursuing seemingly impossible goals, the long-term mindset, and the hope and resilience that drive human endeavors. Author Mark Medley shares insights from his book Live to See the Day and stories of explorers, scientists, and dreamers.

The Non-Obvious Show episode 80 — Jenny Wood
Episode 80

Having Wild Courage To Get What You Want

with Jenny Wood

Explore the unconventional traits of wild courage with Jenny Wood, a NYT best-selling author and founder of Google’s Own Your Career program. Discover how embracing weirdness, selfishness, shamelessness, and other traits can propel your career and life forward.

The Non-Obvious Show episode 79 — Justin Gregg
Episode 79

Why We Talk To Cats and Make Everything “Humanish”

with Justin Gregg

Explore the fascinating world of anthropomorphism, its impact on human behavior, AI, marketing, and the future of human-like technology with dolphin cognition researcher Justin Gregg.

The Non-Obvious Show episode 78 — Nir Eyal
Episode 78

How Your Beliefs Can Hold You Back … Or Move You Forward

with Nir Eyal

Explore the fascinating insights into human perception, beliefs, and the power of persistence with Nir Eyal, author of Beyond Belief. Discover how our brain’s predictive processing shapes reality, how beliefs influence behavior, and how anyone can unlock hidden potential.

The Non-Obvious Show episode 77 — Melody Wilding
Episode 77

How To Manage Your Boss To Win At Work

with Melody Wilding

Melody Wilding, a human behavior expert and author, shares insights on managing up, understanding human psychology at work, and practical strategies for career success.

The Non-Obvious Show episode 76 — Tim Minshall
Episode 76

The Hidden Secrets of How Stuff Gets Made

with Tim Minshall

Explore the fascinating world of manufacturing with Tim Minshall, author of ‘How Things Are Made’. Discover how everyday products are designed, built and delivered — and why understanding making matters more than ever.

The Non-Obvious Show episode 74 — Amina AlTai
Episode 74

Why Your Ambition Is Working Against You

with Amina AlTai

In this conversation, Amina AlTai discusses her book ‘The Ambition Trap,’ exploring the duality of ambition and how it can be both a motivating force and a source of pain — and how to shift toward a healthier, purpose-led ambition.

The Non-Obvious Show episode 73 — Rosalind Chow
Episode 73

The Difference Between Mentors and Sponsors

with Rosalind Chow

In this episode, Dr. Rosalind Chow discusses the crucial differences between mentorship and sponsorship, and how sponsors can change the trajectory of a career by advocating for others when it matters most.

The Non-Obvious Show episode 72 — Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic
Episode 72

Don’t Be Yourself: Why Authenticity Is Overrated

with Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic

In this episode, Tomas challenges conventional wisdom around authenticity, self-belief, and leadership — and makes the case for why editing yourself can be a smarter path to success.

The Non-Obvious Show episode 71 — Kevin Ertell
Episode 71

How To Avoid the Strategy Trap In Business

with Kevin Ertell

In this episode, we explore the nuanced relationship between strategy and execution in business, and why great execution of a clear strategy beats a brilliant plan poorly delivered.

The Non-Obvious Show episode 70 — Monica Nassif
Episode 70

Selling Your Mother: The Mrs. Meyers Clean Day Story

with Monica Nassif

Monica Nassif’s journey with Mrs. Meyer’s Clean Day reveals the power of authenticity in branding. By naming the brand after her mother, she created a story that resonated far beyond the cleaning aisle.

The Non-Obvious Show episode 69 — Eliot Stein
Episode 69

Telling the Stories of Custodians Saving Dying Traditions

with Eliot Stein

In a fast-paced world where technology often overshadows cultural heritage, Eliot Stein shares stories of the last custodians keeping rare traditions alive — and what their devotion teaches the rest of us.

The Non-Obvious Show episode 68 — Marina Lopes
Episode 68

Why You Should Let People Yell At Your Kids

with Marina Lopes

Marina Lopes, a Brazilian American journalist, shares insights from her global research on parenting practices around the world — and what other cultures can teach us about raising resilient kids.

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About The Show

Books that expand your way of thinking.

Can diversity be funny? Who owns the air? Why don’t companies practice more common sense? The answers to these questions are not so obvious … and that’s the point.

Each week Rohit interviews an author whose book offers an inspiring form of non-obvious thinking on topics such as afrofuturism, technoableism, and existential hope. The featured books include those selected from the annual Non-Obvious Book Awards, and other books that he has recently found captivating — so if a book on our longlist caught your eye, there’s a good chance you can hear its author tell the story behind it here.

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